Vida cuotidiana

[akerberg]

Kolibri era una "colonia" que substituia el agua, el jabon se llamaba....
bueno no lo encuentro, pero os pongo un par de imagenes, unas de una refrescante ducha en cubierta y otra del baño en la sala diesel. El baño de la sala diesel se conseguia sacando las placas del suelo y se construia la "bañera" con una lona.

[oarso]

¿Perfume?

Colonia, leches, Colonia.

Y se llama así porque fué elaborada en la ciudad de Hamburgo.

Saludos

[Mendas]

Era una especie de loción que se usaba sobre todo y principalmente para quitarse la sal de la piel. Porque de tanto estar en la torreta con los prismaticos acababan perdidos de sal a causa de los rociones de las olas sobre la torreta.

Lo que nunca he entendido es porque no llevaban aire acondicionado.
Que no se ría la gente, pero patrullando por el trópico el interior tiene que ser un horno de pan. Los americanos bien que lo sabian y todas las unidades a partir de la nueva clase S los llevaban instalados.
Para más detalles lo pone en el manual del SH1...

A ver Akerber:
¿Me quieres explicar lo del motor marino tuyo de 1200 hp?

[ulises66]

Lo que nunca he entendido es porque no llevaban aire acondicionado.
Que no se ría la gente, pero patrullando por el trópico el interior tiene que ser un horno de pan. Los americanos bien que lo sabian y todas las unidades a partir de la nueva clase S los llevaban instalados.

imagino! (y es solo una suposición), que con tanta humedad el aire acondicionado resecaria en exceso el ambiente dentro del sub, y esos cambios podrian provocar que media tripulación acabase enferma, pero repito, es solo una suposición

un saludo!

[Mendas]

Que los aparatos de aire acondicionado además de bajar la temperatura pueden deshumidificar. Más importante que el dar fresquito a veces esquitar la humedad. Y sino prueba ahora en casa en pleno mes de agosto. Por la noche no busco fresquito sino quitar la humedad.
Si el problema esque se junta el calor de dentro, con la humedad del interior. Y por las zonas tropicales tiene que ser insoportable. Y el rendimiento de la tripulación - y en consecuencia la atención - baja también en picado.

[akerberg]

Para Mendas 2 cosas

1-> el motor es el del pesquero donde trabaja mi padre, del que él es el motorista.

2-> Los uboots no estaban diseñados ni para el caribe ni el pacífico, por eso no tenían aire acondicionado, los americanos si lo tenían ya uqe estaban diseñados para el pacífico.....

Sobre el tema del AC en los Uboots, os pongo un recorte del foro de uboat.net

Author: Xray
Date: 06-14-02 06:27

I have heard that the Type XXI's had air conditioning (refrigerated air conditioning).

Does anyone have any information on this question?

Also, I have heard they had a freezer for food storage.

First of all, is the first question true?

Second, if it is true, did the A/C and Food Freezer share the same refrigeration unit?

Third, what type of refrigeration unit was it? (freon, ammonia, alcohol, water chiller)

Lots of questions, thanks in advance for any help.
Xray

Author: J.T. McDaniel
Date: 06-20-02 03:38

The one book in my library on the Typ XXI seems to suggest air conditioning, but doesn't actually say it was there. For a boat designed to stay submerged most of the time A/C would have been almost mandatory, just to take care of the extreme humidity you'd get from the crew breathing and condensation. A/C in submarines was never really for crew comfort, it was mostly to dry out the air and protect the electronics and machinery. The fact that it also made the crew more comfortable was mostly a happy side effect.

J.T. McDaniel

Author: Xray
Date: 06-23-02 06:13

Thanks Woody and JT,
The only book I have on the subject, "GERMAN U-BOAT TYPE XXI" by Siegfried Breyer, (many excellent photographs by the way) does not mention A/C or the freezer.

On this site (uboat.net) it does mention the freezer at http://www.uboat.net/types/xxi.htm

Somewhere, and for the life of me I can't remember where, (TV doc., web site or book) I saw the claim that the XXI was the first submarine with refrigerated air conditioning. This of course, may or may not be true. But if it is, it would seem to make sense that the freezer would utilize the same compressor and heat exchanger assembly as the A/C.

If anyone knows anything more about the freezer, it would be appreciated.
Thanks again Woody and JT.

Author: Woody
Date: 06-23-02 14:20

The new book U-Boats by David Miller mentions and shows in a line drawing refrigerated storage rooms but no mention of A/C.
Author: Woody
Date: 06-23-02 14:27

Woody wrote:
>
> The new book U-Boats by David Miller mentions and shows in a
> line drawing refrigerated storage rooms but no mention of A/C. Info on the net for this type of boat also indicates that the final design list approved in 1943 showed deep freezer on the list. The A/C probably was not included and never put into production.

Author: ROBERT M.
Date: 07-16-02 00:26

Hi Woody:

I contacted a former U.S. Navy submariner who rode the U-2513 and qualified on
her. Here's what he wrote:

"Yes, I was on the 2513 for a little over six months. Qualified on her. Just barely got my Dolphins before we put her out of commission.(She actually was commissioned in the U.S. Navy) I remember that we had A/C, but I do not remember if she had been built with it, or if she had ben modified. As to refrigeration. Frankly, I do not remember. We only went to sea on a daily basis, so we did not have to store a lot of food. I believe we had some minimal refrigeration, but again I don't remember if it was American or not. I am almost certain it was German, because they stayed at sea so long. Keep in mind that there were minimal creature comforts for the German crew. Only the officers had bunks. The crew either slept in hammocks or on their watch stations. The Americans had modified her so that we had some bunks."

His e-mail address is: jcunning@surfsouth.com

I hope this info helps........

Later,

ROBERT M.

Author: Rainer Bruns
Date: 07-17-02 17:12

Hi Robert,
Your friend's recollection is a bit faulty - not surprising after all these years.
U2513 was equipped with 2 single cabins (for Cdr and LI) and 44 fixed bunks plus one convertible sofa in the Officer's bunkroom/mess. NO hammocks were in use, unless brought aboard by USN. Rgds, RB

Author: Rainer Bruns
Date: 06-25-02 02:20

Hi Xray,
Yes, they were airconditioned in crew and command spaces - not in the engine room. Do not know the type refrigerant used.
Freezer and refrigerators used different compressor/condenser than AC. Do not know the refrigerant used there either. Rgds, RB

[Mendas]

Luego los XXl tenían aire acondicionado.

water chiller? eso que es? ¿Agua oxigenada?

En ese texto incide en lo que he dicho. Más importante que el dar fresquito es suprimir la humedad propia del sub y dejar un ambiente seco.

El problema no es el calor como mucha gente piensa, sino la humedad.

[Mix-martes86]

Water chiller debe de ser algun enfriador de agua, o algo por el estilo.