NUNCA compraria hidrazina (N2H4). Ni en grandes cantidades ni en pequeñas. Para que iba yo a querer eso! Es un combutible comun en cohetes pero yo no lo necesito para nada. Ni loca se me ocurriria tenr de eso.
1 arroba = 16 litros (aprox)
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Hidrazina para quien la quiera, yo no.
Última edición por Nur_125 el 29 Ene 2008 23:40, editado 2 veces en total.
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9 partes de ginebra, 1 parte de vermut blanco, 1 aceituna (con hueso, por supuesto) y hielo.
Se sirve en copa de coctel (los pedantes dicen koctail) y hace el mismo efecto.
O incluso mejor.
juas.-
Vale, vale.
Esto fue lo que encontre en internet. Tambien encontre sintesis parecidas en otros sitios y foros de internet:
Hydrazine Sulfate
2 NH3 + NaOCl-->
NH2NH2 + H2O + NaCl
1. Procedure
A NORMAL solution of sodium hypochlorite is prepared as follows: in a 5-l. round-bottom flask are placed 1800 g. of sodium hydroxide solution (300 g. of sodium hydroxide to 1500 g. of water) and 1500 g. of ice. Chlorine gas is then passed into the solution until it has gained in weight approximately 213 g. During this addition, the solution must be kept thoroughly cooled with ice, in order that chlorates will not be formed. After all the chlorine has been passed in, it is necessary to be certain that the mixture is slightly alkaline, since any excess of free chlorine in the solution prevents the formation of hydrazine.
In a 14-inch evaporating dish are placed 1500 cc. of c. p. ammonia water (sp. gr. 0.90), 900 cc. of distilled water, 375 cc. of 10 per cent gelatine solution, and 1200 cc. of the normal sodium hypochlorite solution prepared as above. This mixture is heated as rapidly as possible and boiled down until one-third of the original volume is left. This solution is then cooled thoroughly with ice and filtered with suction, first through two layers of toweling and then through one thickness of ordinary filter paper over cloth, in order to remove finely divided solid impurities. The solution is then placed in a precipitating jar, and cooled down thoroughly (0'0) with ice and salt; 10 cc. of concentrated sulfuric acid for each 100 cc. of solution are gradually added with constant stirring. A precipitate of hydrazine sulfate (NH2NH2<.>H2SO4) forms. The mixture is allowed to stand in the cold for a few hours in order to complete the precipitation, and is then filtered by suction in the usual way and washed with cold alcohol. The yield varies from 53 g. to 58 g. per 1500 cc. of ammonia water (34-37 per cent of the theoretical amount). The product is perfectly white and crystalline, and satisfactory for almost any purpose. If an absolutely pure product is desired, it must be recrystallized from water. For every 21 g. of crude product, 100 g. of boiling water are used. If the crude hydrazine is brown, it is advisable to use a little bone-black. After the mixture has been filtered and cooled to 0'0, 19 g. of pure white crystals are obtained.
2. Notes
In the preparation of the sodium hypochlorite solution it is quite necessary that the mixture be kept cold and be alkaline to red litmus paper at the end of the reaction, if good yields of hydrazine are to be obtained.
Since iron is an anti-catalyzer, it is necesssary{sic} to use distilled water throughout the process.
As a viscolizer, a substance such as starch, glycerol, glue or gelatine may be used; the last, however, gives by far the most satisfactory results.
In order to obtain a pure white hydrazine sulfate as the first precipitate, it is necessary to cool the hydrazine solution thoroughly and filter it twice before the sulfuric acid is added. Moreover, the sulfuric acid must be added slowly and with stirring. If these conditions are not followed, material containing brown particles results.
The mother liquor obtained from the crystallized hydrazine sulfate contains a small amount of hydrazine. If 200 g. of copper sulfate are dissolved in water and added to 10 l. of the filtrates from the above processes, a light-blue crystalline precipitate of the double salt of copper sulfate and hydrazine sulfate will be formed after ten hours. This salt, when suspended in ten times its weight of distilled water and treated with hydrogen sulfide, decomposes into copper sulfide and hydrazine sulfate. After the copper salt has been filtered off, the solution is concentrated until the hydrazine sulfate crystallizes. The yield of product is small, so that it is hardly advisable to undertake this recovery in the laboratory.
It is possible for one man, simultaneously evaporating six dishes of the hydrazine mixture, to turn out from 20 to 25 runs in nine hours. The time for the evaporation of a solution, such as is mentioned in the experimental part, with a four-flame Bunsen burner, is two to three hours; if the evaporation is carried out more slowly than this, the yield of product is distinctly diminished.
3. Other Methods of Preparation
Hydrazine salts have been prepared by the action of hypochlorites on ammonia[1] or urea;[2] by the hydrolysis of salts of sulfohydrazimethylene disulfonic acid;[3] by the hydrolysis of triazoacetic acid;[4] by the reduction of diazoacetic ester;[5] by the reduction of nitroguanidine followed by hydrolysis;[6] by the reduction of the nitroso derivatives of hexamethylene tetramine;[7] by the reduction of nitrates or nitrites with zinc in neutral solution;[8] by the action of sodium bisulfite on hyponitrous acid followed by reduction;[1b] by the reduction of K2SO3N2O2;[2b] by the action of ammonia on dichlorourea;[3b] by the reduction of nitrosoparaldimin;[4b] by the action of copper sulfate on ammonia at high temperatures;[5b] by the reduction of methylene diisonitrosoamine;[6b] by the hydrolysis of the addition product of diazoacetic ester and fumaric or cinnamic esters.[7b]
[1] D. R. P. 192,783; Chem. Zentr. 1908 (I), 427; Chem. Ztg. 31, 926 (1907); D. R. P. 198,307; Chem. Zentr. 1908 (I), 1957; Eng. Pat. 22,957; C. A. 2, 1999 (1908); U. S. Pat. 910,858; C. A. 3, 1065 (1909); French Pat. 382,357; C. A. 3, 2358 (1909); Ber. 40, 4588 (1907); Laboratory Manual of Inorganic Preparations, by A. B. Lamb, Harvard University, Cambridge, Mass.
[2] J. Russ. Phys. Chem. Soc. 37, 1 (1905); Chem. Zentr. 1905 (I) 1227; D. R. P. 164,755; Frdl. 8, 53 (1905); French Pat. 329,430; J. Soc. Chem. Ind. 22, 1063 (1903); Chem. Zentr. 1905 (I) 1227.
[3] D. R. P. 79,885; Frdl. 4, 26 (1895); Ber. 28, 2381 (1895).
[4] Ber. 20, 1632 (1887); Chem. News 55, 288 (1887); D. R. P. 47,600; Frdl. 2, 554 (1889); J. prakt. Chem. (2) 39, 27 (1889).
[5] Ber. 27, 775 (1894); 28, 1848 (1895); D. R. P. 58,751; Frdl. 3, 16 (1891); D. R. P. 87,131; Frdl. 4, 28 (1896).
[6] Ann. 270, 31 (1892); D. R. P. 59,241; Frdl. 3, 16 (1891); Eng. Pat. 6,786; J. Soc. Chem. Ind. 11, 370 (1892).
[7] D. R. P. 80,466; Frdl. 4, 27 (1895); Ann. 288, 232 (1895).
[8] Eng. Pat. 11, 216; J. Soc. Chem. Ind. 14, 595 (1895). [1b] Ber. 33, 2115 (1900); Ann. 288, 301 (1895).
[2b] Ber. 27, 3498 (1894).
[3b] J. Chem. Soc. 95, 235 (1909); Chem. News 98, 166 (1908).
[4b] Ber. 23, 752 (1890).
[5b] Chem. News 66, 223 (1892).
[6b] Ber. 27, 3292 (1894);
[7b] Ber. 21, 2637 (1888).
Checked by J. B. CONANT and W. L. HANAWAY.
Se sirve en copa de coctel (los pedantes dicen koctail) y hace el mismo efecto.
O incluso mejor.
juas.-
Vale, vale.
Esto fue lo que encontre en internet. Tambien encontre sintesis parecidas en otros sitios y foros de internet:
Hydrazine Sulfate
2 NH3 + NaOCl-->
NH2NH2 + H2O + NaCl
1. Procedure
A NORMAL solution of sodium hypochlorite is prepared as follows: in a 5-l. round-bottom flask are placed 1800 g. of sodium hydroxide solution (300 g. of sodium hydroxide to 1500 g. of water) and 1500 g. of ice. Chlorine gas is then passed into the solution until it has gained in weight approximately 213 g. During this addition, the solution must be kept thoroughly cooled with ice, in order that chlorates will not be formed. After all the chlorine has been passed in, it is necessary to be certain that the mixture is slightly alkaline, since any excess of free chlorine in the solution prevents the formation of hydrazine.
In a 14-inch evaporating dish are placed 1500 cc. of c. p. ammonia water (sp. gr. 0.90), 900 cc. of distilled water, 375 cc. of 10 per cent gelatine solution, and 1200 cc. of the normal sodium hypochlorite solution prepared as above. This mixture is heated as rapidly as possible and boiled down until one-third of the original volume is left. This solution is then cooled thoroughly with ice and filtered with suction, first through two layers of toweling and then through one thickness of ordinary filter paper over cloth, in order to remove finely divided solid impurities. The solution is then placed in a precipitating jar, and cooled down thoroughly (0'0) with ice and salt; 10 cc. of concentrated sulfuric acid for each 100 cc. of solution are gradually added with constant stirring. A precipitate of hydrazine sulfate (NH2NH2<.>H2SO4) forms. The mixture is allowed to stand in the cold for a few hours in order to complete the precipitation, and is then filtered by suction in the usual way and washed with cold alcohol. The yield varies from 53 g. to 58 g. per 1500 cc. of ammonia water (34-37 per cent of the theoretical amount). The product is perfectly white and crystalline, and satisfactory for almost any purpose. If an absolutely pure product is desired, it must be recrystallized from water. For every 21 g. of crude product, 100 g. of boiling water are used. If the crude hydrazine is brown, it is advisable to use a little bone-black. After the mixture has been filtered and cooled to 0'0, 19 g. of pure white crystals are obtained.
2. Notes
In the preparation of the sodium hypochlorite solution it is quite necessary that the mixture be kept cold and be alkaline to red litmus paper at the end of the reaction, if good yields of hydrazine are to be obtained.
Since iron is an anti-catalyzer, it is necesssary{sic} to use distilled water throughout the process.
As a viscolizer, a substance such as starch, glycerol, glue or gelatine may be used; the last, however, gives by far the most satisfactory results.
In order to obtain a pure white hydrazine sulfate as the first precipitate, it is necessary to cool the hydrazine solution thoroughly and filter it twice before the sulfuric acid is added. Moreover, the sulfuric acid must be added slowly and with stirring. If these conditions are not followed, material containing brown particles results.
The mother liquor obtained from the crystallized hydrazine sulfate contains a small amount of hydrazine. If 200 g. of copper sulfate are dissolved in water and added to 10 l. of the filtrates from the above processes, a light-blue crystalline precipitate of the double salt of copper sulfate and hydrazine sulfate will be formed after ten hours. This salt, when suspended in ten times its weight of distilled water and treated with hydrogen sulfide, decomposes into copper sulfide and hydrazine sulfate. After the copper salt has been filtered off, the solution is concentrated until the hydrazine sulfate crystallizes. The yield of product is small, so that it is hardly advisable to undertake this recovery in the laboratory.
It is possible for one man, simultaneously evaporating six dishes of the hydrazine mixture, to turn out from 20 to 25 runs in nine hours. The time for the evaporation of a solution, such as is mentioned in the experimental part, with a four-flame Bunsen burner, is two to three hours; if the evaporation is carried out more slowly than this, the yield of product is distinctly diminished.
3. Other Methods of Preparation
Hydrazine salts have been prepared by the action of hypochlorites on ammonia[1] or urea;[2] by the hydrolysis of salts of sulfohydrazimethylene disulfonic acid;[3] by the hydrolysis of triazoacetic acid;[4] by the reduction of diazoacetic ester;[5] by the reduction of nitroguanidine followed by hydrolysis;[6] by the reduction of the nitroso derivatives of hexamethylene tetramine;[7] by the reduction of nitrates or nitrites with zinc in neutral solution;[8] by the action of sodium bisulfite on hyponitrous acid followed by reduction;[1b] by the reduction of K2SO3N2O2;[2b] by the action of ammonia on dichlorourea;[3b] by the reduction of nitrosoparaldimin;[4b] by the action of copper sulfate on ammonia at high temperatures;[5b] by the reduction of methylene diisonitrosoamine;[6b] by the hydrolysis of the addition product of diazoacetic ester and fumaric or cinnamic esters.[7b]
[1] D. R. P. 192,783; Chem. Zentr. 1908 (I), 427; Chem. Ztg. 31, 926 (1907); D. R. P. 198,307; Chem. Zentr. 1908 (I), 1957; Eng. Pat. 22,957; C. A. 2, 1999 (1908); U. S. Pat. 910,858; C. A. 3, 1065 (1909); French Pat. 382,357; C. A. 3, 2358 (1909); Ber. 40, 4588 (1907); Laboratory Manual of Inorganic Preparations, by A. B. Lamb, Harvard University, Cambridge, Mass.
[2] J. Russ. Phys. Chem. Soc. 37, 1 (1905); Chem. Zentr. 1905 (I) 1227; D. R. P. 164,755; Frdl. 8, 53 (1905); French Pat. 329,430; J. Soc. Chem. Ind. 22, 1063 (1903); Chem. Zentr. 1905 (I) 1227.
[3] D. R. P. 79,885; Frdl. 4, 26 (1895); Ber. 28, 2381 (1895).
[4] Ber. 20, 1632 (1887); Chem. News 55, 288 (1887); D. R. P. 47,600; Frdl. 2, 554 (1889); J. prakt. Chem. (2) 39, 27 (1889).
[5] Ber. 27, 775 (1894); 28, 1848 (1895); D. R. P. 58,751; Frdl. 3, 16 (1891); D. R. P. 87,131; Frdl. 4, 28 (1896).
[6] Ann. 270, 31 (1892); D. R. P. 59,241; Frdl. 3, 16 (1891); Eng. Pat. 6,786; J. Soc. Chem. Ind. 11, 370 (1892).
[7] D. R. P. 80,466; Frdl. 4, 27 (1895); Ann. 288, 232 (1895).
[8] Eng. Pat. 11, 216; J. Soc. Chem. Ind. 14, 595 (1895). [1b] Ber. 33, 2115 (1900); Ann. 288, 301 (1895).
[2b] Ber. 27, 3498 (1894).
[3b] J. Chem. Soc. 95, 235 (1909); Chem. News 98, 166 (1908).
[4b] Ber. 23, 752 (1890).
[5b] Chem. News 66, 223 (1892).
[6b] Ber. 27, 3292 (1894);
[7b] Ber. 21, 2637 (1888).
Checked by J. B. CONANT and W. L. HANAWAY.
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Vamos, me lo imagino:Hans_Martius escribió:La hidracina reacciona con el oxígeno disuelto y forma agua
y nitrógeno.La hidracina que no reacciona se descompone
y produce amoníaco(NH3).La hidracina es un riesgo
para la salud, así que cuidadin, no la bebas sola mezclala con cola o con tonica.
- Hola, soy 125, Nur_125 y deseo un pelotazo de hidracina con vodka, mezclado, no agitado...
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A TODOS los lectores de este hilo, sean amigos, enemigos o cazadores de malos malosos.
He editado y corregido me primer mensaje con el que abria el hilo y digo que:
NUNCA compraria hidrazina (.......). Ni en grandes cantidades ni en pequeñas. Para que iba yo a querer eso! Es un combutible comun en cohetes pero yo no lo necesito para nada. Ni loca se me ocurriria tener de eso.
He editado y corregido me primer mensaje con el que abria el hilo y digo que:
NUNCA compraria hidrazina (.......). Ni en grandes cantidades ni en pequeñas. Para que iba yo a querer eso! Es un combutible comun en cohetes pero yo no lo necesito para nada. Ni loca se me ocurriria tener de eso.
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Re: Hidrazina, compro
Yo disiento, alguien que te conoce, me dijo que una vez te vio, ibas como un cohete.Nur_125 escribió: NUNCA compraria hidrazina (N2H4). Ni en grandes cantidades ni en pequeñas. Para que iba yo a querer eso! Es un combutible comun en cohetes pero yo no lo necesito para nada. Ni loca se me ocurriria tenr de eso.
Lagata Ruiz de la Parda dice que el naranja es un gran color.Nur_125 escribió: EDITADO y CORREGIDO por miedo a que se me malinterprete y pueda acabar vestida con un mono de color naranja en alguna jaula ventilada.
Saludos.
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Arturo Pérez-Reverte.
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Joder,a ver si nos aclaramos. Mi proveedor habitual me va a mandar a la mierrrrrda... Y si no ya sabes... cloramina, amoniaco... et voilá...Nur_125 escribió:A TODOS los lectores de este hilo, sean amigos, enemigos o cazadores de malos malosos.
He editado y corregido me primer mensaje con el que abria el hilo y digo que:
NUNCA compraria hidrazina (.......). Ni en grandes cantidades ni en pequeñas. Para que iba yo a querer eso! Es un combutible comun en cohetes pero yo no lo necesito para nada. Ni loca se me ocurriria tener de eso.
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